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Csilverman Blog 3

When reading the story Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, and taking a look at the Rules of Courtly love, you get the feeling that there was really no way for Sir Gawain to meet everyones wishes. In my opinion Sir Gawain was a man of great character and nobility. He tries to obey the Code of Chivalry and shows respect to authority by doing whatever the wife wants to him to do to a major extent. Sir Gawain kept his respect and honor even during times when it seemed like he couldn’t possibly satisfy everyone. I would  defend Sir Gawain by making a case that  he is actually a person with good morals, and character, in doing whatever it was that the lady wanted him to do, while at the same time trying to satisfy the lords desires also. By kissing the lord the same amount of times that his wife kissed him every night clearly shows that he is trying to do what he can to please the lord and his wife. I think because of this that there are some flaws in the code of chivalry, at least enough to make you question whether or not the rules  that are in the code of chivalry are to vague and need to be broadened a bit due to certain situations that cause extenuating circmustances. However Gawains loyalty to the rules in the codes of chivalry is what keeps him from going further and sleeping with this hots wife. However finally I could see an argument saying why would Gawain accept the challenge in the first place with the green night when clearly he doesn’t seem to have the courage to deal with the potential negative outcomes that could happen with the green night? Seems slightly cowardly to me.

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Gawain’s tale serves to show how difficult it was to uphold the chivalric codes as they are often very conflicting ideals. One of the codes states that “thou shalt never lie, and shall remain faithful to thy pledged word”. Gawain fails to follow through with this aspect of the code, as he lies to his host during the third test. He does not lie maliciously, but rather to uphold his conduct as the guest in the household. While Gawain is indeed acting out of what he believes to be the most polite, and chivalric ideals, he is also contradicts the aspect of not lying. The code is meant to serve as a moral compass or guidelines for these knights, but it is rather difficult to uphold each aspect of the code when they often go against one another.

One of the codes from the Art of Courtly Love that I found interesting is the one that states “If love diminishes, it quickly fails and rarely revives”. Though it does not necessarily contradict the other guidelines, most of the other codes revolve around loving your partner fully and unconditionally, which would mean that love could never diminish. As mentioned in class, these codes seem to act as a way to fudge behavior of knights or lords to reflect better upon their character while they follow their whims. I believe this is why many of the codes contradict each other, and are often hard to follow.

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One rule that I don’t quite understand in regards to Gautiers code of Chivalry is respect life and freedom. Many times being a hero requires you to take someone else’s life and freedom. For example in Odysseus  while he definitely wrongs certain people he is considered a hero, and he gains a lot of his hubris by killing many men throughout his journeys. If you look at it in terms of your own life, it would make sense that you must always respect the life you have. For example, towards the end of Odysseus, when he is in the sea, he says to Poseidon how he is happy to be a live and that is all he has left. When you have hardships in life it really makes you think about life itself.

One rule I don’t agree with in the art of courtly love is, when one lover dies, a widowhood of two years is required of the survivor. Two years can be a long time for some people, If someone passes away, I feel like it is the survivors decision if they would like to find new love. For many people love is the basis of survival and being alone can really destroy a person.

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After examining The Code of Chivalry and The Rules of Courtly Love, it is evident that every rule can not be completed abided by. In fact, the rules often contradict one another. While these codes offer guidelines for the knights and warriors they often contradict themselves. For example, in the Code of Chivalry, it is stated that you must exhibit manners and obey the requests of the host. However, in the Rules of Courtly Love, it is clearly stated that one should not partake in any type of love affair. The contradiction in these rules allows a knight to justify any of their actions which makes it difficult to analyze the true character of a person.

In the story Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, Gawain ventures through the many expectations of being a noble knight. In my opinion Sir Gawain was a noble Knight who did many things right. For example, when he journeys out to find the Green Knight, the lord of the castle takes him in along with his lady and the old woman. Throughout his stay Gawain is very respectable to the host and treats them with the upmost kindness. His different interactions with the host wife allows the reader to question Sir Gawain’s character. However, Gawain in the eyes of The Code of Chivalry, presented good character in following the wishes of the lady. Gawain upheld his honor throughout the many different challenges that were presented. He had to follow his quest without a lover or mistress in the sake of his nobility. Sir Gawain faces many flaws that allows us to connect with him. His journey in finding the Green Knight and risking his life to uphold his end of the bargain, show his true status as a noble Knight. Although the rules of Courtly Love and the Code of Chivalry present contradicting paths, it is clear that Sir Gawain did everything in his power to remain a Knight of honor.

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In class today we discussed the Rules of Chivarly and courtly love. After reading and discussing all of these rules they are basically impossible for all of these rules to be followed especially when some of the contradict themselves. I think they are unrealistic for any hero to follow all of them.

In today’s class discussion when we had to get in groups, two rules that we found that contradicted themselves were “No one can be bound by a double love,” and “Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two woman.” I found these two rules to be the ones that contradicted each other the most out of all of them. Although the two contradict each other, we found that some how Sir Gawain in “Sir Gawain and the Green Knight,”was able to achieve these two things. He was able to follow these rules because he loved his wife very much but tried to avoid the hosts wife. Sir Gawain was also able to follow the rule “to be respectful to host, women, and honor.” He followed this rule because he was respectful to both his wife and the hosts wife regardless of her persistence with Sir Gawain.  Sir Gawain was surprisingly able to follow these Rules of Chivarly and courtly love.

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Courtly Love Commandment 7– “Be obedient in all things to the commands of ladies, thou shalt ever strive to ally thyself to the service of love.”

Chivalry Tenet – “Exhibit self-control.”

Knights are governed by the code of chivalry and the rules of courtly love, simultaneously. There appears to be an element of difficulty in strictly adhering to the rules of courtly love, as well as the knightly codes. The commandment of courtly love quoted above is quite controversial, in my opinion. Knights are commanded to have good character (as a tenet of chivalry), but the wishes of the wrong lady can cause them to compromise that.  If a knight is to be obedient in ALL things to the commands of ladies, then he essentially loses all elements of self-control. The courtly love commandment virtually robs a knight of his ability to have self-control.  For example, Gawain was exemplified as the quintessential Christian knight and held good character, in my opinion. However, he eventually succumbed to the seduction by the lady, an act which goes against his morals. Gawain strived to withstand all of the lady’s advances but daily, he grows weaker in chivalry and stronger in the rules of courtly love.

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Reading The Code of Chivalry and The Rules of Courtly love, it becomes clear that it is not possible to completely follow all of the rules.  The rules become more like guidelines for a knight to follow.  Also, there are so many contradicting rules that it allows for a knight to justify what he is doing, as long as it is in the rules of chivalry.

Looking at the text Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and the rules of Chivalry there are many things that Gawain does right, even though the rules make it difficult for him to decide what to do.  The Code of Chivalry says “Always keep one’s word of honor”.  This is something that Gawain does very well.  He goes looking for the green knight knowing that he will be killed, simply because he feels that he must uphold his end of the bargain.  Most people would run away from their imminent death.  The Rules of Courtly Love say that “Good character alone makes any man worthy of love”.  Gawain’s interaction with his hosts wife make the reader question of Sir Gawain truly has good character, and if the reader is to judge good character based on the rules of chivalry, they will have a very difficult time.

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As a Knight, Gawain did uphold many of the expectations put upon him.  One code of Chivalry that I think Gawain displayed very well was the one stating “Live to serve King and Country”.  Since Gawain was a Knight, it can be assumed that he had been faithful to his King and Country.  Knights are people that physically protect their country.  Also, Gawain showed his loyalty to his King and country when he decided to accept the challenge from the Green Knight.  By doing this, he has spared his King of whatever may come from the challenge and has shown his loyalty to defending his country and King.  There were no other Knights that stepped up which showed how chivalrous Gawain was.

A rule from The Art of Courtly Love that I found interesting was “Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two women”.  I thought this was interesting based on the actions of Gawain towards the wife at the castle.  When she tried to seduce Gawain, he seemed to reject her based on his respect for the master of the castle.  Although I do agree that you should not engage with someone else’s lover, it was not against the rules.  Therefore, it can actually be said that Gawain did not follow all of the rules.  However, I do think that Gawain’s choice was more chivalrous, honest and respectful.

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During class we discussed the “guidelines” that knights lived by and the most important ones being the code of chivalry and courtly love.  When my group read them and as we discussed in class, many of these codes contradict each other and some of them seem to be loopholes to others.  I don’t think any knight could follow every single one of them in the way that they are set up.  I think that eventually a knight will have to come to a decision stand point where he will have to choose which of the “rules” he will have to break because he can’t follow all of them.

For my code of chivalry I chose commandment VIII ” Thou shalt never lie, and shall remain faithful to thy pledged word. ”  I thought this one was interesting because I feel like it is human nature for us to lie even when we don’t mean it.  To live is a life without ever speaking a lie, whether it be a big or small one, I would think it is near impossible.  Also, I feel like some of the other rules would require a knight to actually say a lie to be able to meet them especially in the courtly love.

Courtly love was an interesting one to me because I felt like the code of chivalry were pretty straight forward for the most part but the courtly love seemed to kind of contradict each other the most.  It seems like every other one was a loophole for the one before it.  I chose to examine “Nothing forbids one woman being loved by two men or one man by two women.”  I know we touched a bit on this one in class but I just thought it was really weird how knights follow and protect the church so much and yet they are allowed to have more than one lover.  They put all these rules on themselves of being a gentleman and being faithful but they are allowed this.

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During class today when we went into small groups to discuss the acts of chivalry and courtly love, we came to the conclusion that the rules consisting in the text about chivalry and courtly love were very contradicting. When reading the acts of chivalry two of the rules that I found opposed to the story of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight was the fact of “exhibiting self–control” whilst trying to “be respectful of host, women, and honor.”

Gawain showed amazing self-control by being able to resist the sexual advances of the host’s wife and being able to maintain a respectable distance to prevent temptation. Although during this difficult endeavor, Gawain had to keep his word to the Green Knight while also being able to uphold the rules of chivalry and continue to be respectful to the host’s wife and the host’s honor. The rules of courtly love state that “A true lover does not desire to embrace in love anyone except his beloved.” So this applies to the fact that Gawain does not want to stray from his wife’s arms and into the clutches of another man’s wife and betray the oath that knights have to swear to.

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